IMHO the Amtac has less backpressure due to having significantly fewer baffles (it traps less gas), not more internal volume. Trigger = Geissele SSA-E and it makes a HUGE difference. Great suppressor! I wish the gas block had more adjustment, as that may have helped. I have owned a Kel Tec RDB 223 for three years. Some of the other reviews on the MDR talk about extraction problems where the rim of the case are damaged because of the bolt head design. There she is in flat coyote color, outfitted as it is from the factory with three-prong flash hider and 20-round PMAG. Let me get this straight Youre a gun owner, and youre complaining about people buying cool and innovative guns instead of old hunting rifles? The first time I was wearing a dark grey shirt and didnt notice if it was dirty, but my face was smudged up but good. The rearwards balance makes it an easy rifle to wield and maneuver. Great concept, but lacking GD&T + QA / QC: New out of the box and without firing a single shot, mine has I prefer to use the RDB in 556 as mine set up with an optic and extras still weigh less than an MDR in 556 with nothing on it. No gas problems at all with the suppressed M6s that I have fired. A few comments after running one for a bit. Im sure it is a fine rife, as far as bullpups go, but 12 pounds as pictured/$2100, Im just gonna have to pass. No Code Needed. NY, CA and IL Democratic Reps Introduce Multiple Firearm Sales Reporting Modernization Act, Mandalay Bay Hotel: Shooter Opened Fire on Crowd 40 Seconds After Shooting Security Guard, Oh, The Humanity: Latest Polling Shows a Majority of Americans Now Oppose an Assault Weapons Ban, Smith & Wesson Announces the New M&P FPC Pistol Caliber Carbine, Get Ready for the Invasion of Canadian Feral Super Pigs, http://www.ruggedridgeoutdoorgear.com/extremepod/, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDn_Gp2QWss. Then I had to send it in for them to fix the whole thing. They are in a no-win situation. Few things that differentiate the two. The video above also explains the difference as well as showing you the different parts and how they go together. Buzz, What are the visual differences between the original MDR and the MDRX? My Sandman Ti is ~30-31 dB and the Q Full Nelson is more like 31.5 dB (Q Half Nelson about 25 dB despite being shorter than the Amtac by an inch). MSRP is expected to be $749. and has an improved center of balance. I recently purchased a M6A2-PSD upper, never mounted, never fired, for it on Gunbroker.com for a most EXCELLENT price. The MDRX seems to be shooting at just over 1 MOA, So, IMHO, if minute-of-man accuracy is good for the military than I dont mind it being the bare minimum for me and since most firearms can be modified to shoot better, I dont mind my minimum being there, Id like to see it run through dirt water sand storms before its okay too much internally covered uncleanable. I am not using a high speed camera but I suspect the slightly dimpled non discharge rounds might be the result of a double fire. If youre going to make ALL gun owners seem like IDIOTS, do all of U.S. a favor, SDSTFU and keep your ignorance to yourself. This revised model also features a stronger polymer resin that is more resistant to high-impact falls. You are using an out of date browser. And yes, its certainly possible that this gun is over-gassed, but before concluding that Id like to see you have a conversation with them about it and see what drove their design decisions. The MDRX is a short-stroke piston operated semi-automatic bullpup a rifle configured such that the action, magazine, and firing mechanics are all located behind the trigger. Yes, you are correct in noticing that this is a mixture of small and large frame calibers. I believe the issue above where a 7.62 cartridge was frequently getting stuck between the ejection port and bolt carrier might be putting outward pressure on and deforming the butt of the rifle. I then fired several 5 shot groups with a handful of different ammunition types. Desert tech has supposedly fixed all the bugs and now even offers a side eject model, but I was tuned on to the Tavor 7 upon hearing about its release. I originally ordered the 223 version, but DT wasnt delivering them so I took a 308, and had to pay more. But I wanna hear feedback on why for either. less by .5 lbs. Its very thin and slow mo shows it flopping around quite a bit. Thats effectively field stripped, but considering it takes about 20 seconds to remove the barrel I suppose that may as well come off for cleaning as well. The rifle will be available from the factory in both .308 and 5.56 (.223 Wylde, actually), then conversion kits will be available in .308, 5.56, and 300 Blackout (5.56 ETA around Thanksgiving, 300 BLK ETA is Q1 2018). Nothing was done about the factory trigger that appears prematurely warn. changing cals is nice. If I can get one, they must have filled a whole lot of the pre-orders. There. Ive shot the MDR and the MDRX now in 556 and 308. while the trigger is better than any bullpup I've used, a Geissele/JP it is not. Its even nicer than shooting an AR on the wrong shoulder and worlds better than doing that with a Tavor. AI & RPR. In this video, I compare 5 of my bullpup rifles. Theres more! Posted by 5 minutes ago. With this sort of inflammatory statement you should back it up with some sort or level of imperial evidence otherwise why make this sort of statement, you just come angry and ignorant??? Desert Tech is a top dog in this niche market that is constantly releasing innovative and quality products: . Groups @ 100 Yards. These updates including the 2019 6 hole gas valve and wider extractor. This rifle seems like a pretty sweet firearm, all in allespecially the full-powered cartridge in such a compact package. Consensus (OK, small sample size of 5) is for 556 caliber, the AUG (and STG556) still offer the best package in weight, balance, ergonomics, and value. The bore seems a bit rough as well and not in any way similar to the quality bolt actions they build. Desert Tech was created to provide the most compact, accurate and reliable precision weapon systems in the world. Ive sort of grown to hate the chambering; precisely no .308 Ive shot has been anything like pleasant. It includes The MDRX is a short-stroke piston operated semi-automatic bullpup, for those who don't know already, a bullpup is a rifle configured such that the action, magazine, and firing mechanics are all located behind the trigger. OK. Also on the first day one of the screws fell out of the left hand side of the rifle, in the desert, and was lost. The trigger on the RDB is excellent and the downward ejection facilitates shooting from either shoulder. The desert tech check all of these boxes better then the other products on the market stock. I also saw one rifle in 260 rem. Desert Tech indicated that these updates would be incorporated in all post announcement MDRx shipments. Desert Tech MDRX 308 Winchester MDR-RF-A2020-FE-F. It was designed by Desert Tech to be the most portable .308 semi-auto rifle in the world. Its garbage like this one that gets all gun owners in trouble All it will take will be one idiot. First, it ejects empty cases forward. The MDR and MDRX are so similar that you can interchange any part between the two. . MDR/MDRX differences. [6], The .308/7.62 MDR was 10,000 round endurance tested with .308 win 150 grain FMJ American Eagle, 7.62x51 149 grain American Eagle, 7.62 m80 ball US Surplus and averaged 1 failure in 2000 rounds. Where that plays out is the MDRX's ability to jump calibers. Kahrs 308 bullpup has a better trigger which is sad. Barrel lengths and calibers can be changed by the end user within minutes with a minimum amount of tools. And I agree that reliability comes first. The most persistent problem is the cycling of ammo. The MDRX is a bit heavier and you can feel the weight. I have an M6A2 14.7 inch barrel in 5.56 that is about 1 MOA with match ammo. Home Landing Page for ES-Tactical's Custom Precision Rifle Barrels for the True Rifle Aficionado. Now, you can even access this gas selector without removing the handguard, unlike with the MDR. In the U.S., if a rifles barrel is shorter than 16 inches or if its overall length is shorter than 26 inches, its a short-barreled rifle (SBR) and subject to NFA regulation. The SE chassis will also come with some of the SE parts, but not all of them. I got one and love it. Dont pay attention to Jeffrey. Lets dive into the details! About the author: Once installed, you will have everything you need to install a FE caliber conversion kit of your choice. [1] [6] [9] In 2018 a military version of the MDR, the NGSAR, was submitted, but . That said, when I shot it off either shoulder with it ejecting on my sternum side, empty cases did hit my support hand arm and wrist. I wont dump mine but I wont buy another. In the photo above, thats the black section of Picatinny rail with the single slot. This results in improved fitment with the magazine, increasing mag retention. [5][2][10] The MDR contains an ambidextrous forward and side eject port and viewing window that allows for tool free forward ejector side change. The MDRX retains the MDRs ability to be converted between 223 Remington, 300 BLK, 308 Win. This very Tavor-like lever can also be used to manually lock the bolt to the rear if, for some reason, you want to leave the charging handles forwards. 0 comments. Desert Techs own suppressors use a traditional style baffle design, too, and one would have to assume they tuned the gas block predominately with their .30 cal can as the tester. He has been spending too much time earning a living and too little entertaining me lately. The PPU 762 ammo is getting stuck in the chamber and if the gas is turned up too high its ripping the rim off the cartridge. Then I might consider getting one. Legally speaking, yeah, it kind of is. California firearms laws and District of Columbias firearms laws. Theyre addressing this with a better gas selection. Jeremy, have you done a review of the Shield SIS red dot sight? If MDRs prove popular Im sure the aftermarket will respond here. I got the desert tech in 6.5 because to scratch that "not a AR 10" itch. Terms and Conditions and Privacy Policy. Thats a paid in full preorder direct through DT. For several hours, the rifle neatly piled brass right in front of my shooting mat without a malfunction. MSRP Rifle: $2,524 ($2,274 in .223 Wylde) available via EuroOptic and select dealers and our Mdr was 308 and the mdrx is 556 but I plan to get the 6.5 conversion for hunting this year. James got a copy of the brand . What bipod is that and can you load it with that pivot design? But wait! As with the MDRX, the MDRX SE can be configured to eject on either the left or right side by simply rotating the bolt 180 degrees and swapping the ejection port cover, allowing the gun to be comfortably operated by either right-handers and/or our beloved wrong-handed. vs. Desert Tech MDRX 308 Winchester MDR-RF-A2010-FE-F. The forward ejection system is a curious feature on the MDRX platform. But not with another optic in another location. MDR/MDRX differences. On the first trip out shooting after the rifle was returned to me it initially gave me no issues using 10 round magazines shooting 308 or 7.62 x51 cold. What are the back up irons you have on there? There are also both 16-inch and 20-inch barrels available in several of the assorted calibers, giving shooters different performance options. That signifies that all essential Vader twist is preserved and arguably heightened by the following flashbacks. Desert Tech partnered with PCP tactical who provided a custom ammunition solution. A Cold War era classic with smooth lines, a legendary back story, and an exotic-sounding name, Beretta's Model 71 was definitely a mouse that roared. Even across the 130-147 grain weight range, my results were pretty consistent in hovering around 1 MOA, which is what Desert Tech claims for the MDRX on their website. [12] In addition to addressing the criticism, Desert Tech provided a technical root cause analysis presentation on the platform failures and resulting improvements with the generation 2 gas system. Desert Tech barrels and barrel conversion kits are a key feature to the innovation of the SRS-A1 rifle platform. Desert Tech 801-975-7272 Ext. I want to like the MDR but worry that it would not make a great suppressor host. Thats what I got. The Springfield Armory Hellion, Desert Tech MDRX, Steyr AUG NATO, IWI Tavor and the FN FS2000. Restrictions and conditions apply Therefore, there is something inherent in this gun that is causing more blowback than with other guns and is properly assigned directly to the gun, not to the suppressor. I need to get around to writing up the review on it as Ive been using it for a really long time now. and just enough creep to notice if you are really looking for it, otherwise it is imperceptable. [26]. Since the MDRX is multi-caliber adaptable, conversion kits are available separately from Desert Techusers can easily change between .308 Win., 6.5 Creedmoor, .223 Wylde and .300 Blackout. You want to adjust the gas, pull the handguard. The purpose of this design gives the MDRX a shorter overall length than conventional rifles of the same barrel length. I'm excited to see how this system is going to work in practice. A large multi shooter community study in 2022, including aftermarket precision vendors such as ES Tactical, was able to quantify the performance of the stock OEM barrel between 1.9 and 5.6 MOA with 5 shot groups in .308 with various ammunition as well as identified a contributing failure mode of Trunnion fasteners loosening over time. If not, can you do one? Pretty disappointed in the barrel. loosen the Torx head screws on either side of the handguard and then punch the pin on the underside of the handguard through. Shooting suppressed on two different range trips, I came home looking like a chimney sweep. Colors: Black or FDE I decided on the OD Green model, waited 6 months (WTF), got it, shot it, and I am happy with no regrets. When you rack it back to clear the unspent round it doesnt kick out like normal, even if you rack it fast and hard. The ambidextrous charging handles of the MDRX are non-reciprocating, normally locked to the front in a spring-loaded detent. First off the Jard Sear trigger came from the manufacturer out of adjustment, not your fault but while out of adjustment it produced the same 308 jam as I described above. For those who would rather have some more useable calibers it makes it simpler to make barrels in some of the 6.5mm cals for the 308 setup as well as the other choices that can be had in the little AR types. I havn't done any real accuracy testing yet, but reviews deem it a 1.5 MOA rifle with match ammo, and a 2 - 2.5 MOA rifle with NATO ammo, which is good for me. I wanted one and was waiting before buying. The outer shell of the gun is made from impact-resistant polymer with an aluminum receiver. 148 [email protected] " I feel that if anyone should be charging for testing it's going to be me. This thing was supposed to be the pinnacle of bullpup design and it seems like its just another solid offering instead. Oh boy, I'm about to have my long awaited rifle transferred this week. Improvements to the firearm include the following: Improved impact-resistant polymer,[4] improved trigger,[4] improved gas block,[4] and a new "Ratchet" compensator. Required fields are marked *. Break weight is about 7.5 lbs. AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types. *Must have a registered ARFCOM account to win. However, there are some exclusions to what they will cover: they will not cover firearms that have been modified, had aftermarket parts installed, has not been properly maintained or been damaged by high-pressure ammunition or reloads. If you ordered the 556 version, I think they are in for a longer wait. Sony MDR-1000X is amazing! Many other guns are aluminum or even polymer around these areas, so the steel construction would add some safety factor in the event of a kaboom that blows out the back of the case. You have to remove the handguard to do anything. With the ejection port covers installed there is no way to see whats going on inside. [4] This update is considered the generation 3 MDR gas system. The aforementioned charging handle is on both sides, plus the safety and AR-style magazine release are also mirrored exactly on left and right. The new ratchet compensator reduces recoil by over 50% and eliminates muzzle rise for greater overall accuracy. Furthermore after taking over a week to respond to me this is the response I received from Glen Fullmer: Notify me of follow-up comments by email. The Desert Tech MDR, or Micro Dynamic Rifle, is essentially a .308 semi-automatic bull-pup rifle. A reflex optic is available as an option, with a mount designed to put it on the MDRs gas block. If you are a dedicated left-hand shooter, you can swap ejection from forward right to forward left in just a few seconds, keeping hot brass away from the face. and she was 16 hours late, and what seemed like a good idea after a bottle of vodka didn't feel quite right And even at that itll probably be a range rental that we wont sell any to a customer until we review the logs of jams and do some 1,000/5,000/10,000 round accuracy and reliability tests on. To me is comes down to which is going to be more reliable. In addition a heavy hammer spring is available for special order to resolve light strike failures on hardened primers. Explore and compare prices from other vendors. Nick Young (Desert Tech CEO) said on FaceBook that his favorite suppressor on the MDR was the Amtac, which adds a lot of interior volume in the over-the-barrel section. Ostensibly, to you, the MDRX is just a scary gun. 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